Just diagnosed with unruptured 9mm aneurysm

Hi. Im very new to this but really need some support because feel terrified right now. I went to see a spine doc because was getting a little neck pain, he suggested an MRI on both my neck & head (just in case, as he put it!). The MRI on my neck showed some nerve pinching & that was the reason for my neck pain, however when i asked him how the MRI on my head was, he said they had found a small aneurysm. He said he wasnt very concerned but would like to refer me to an expert to have it checked out. Until that minute i had never heard of aneurysms & asked him “should i be worried” he said no, no…as long as you dont have high blood pressure you’ll be fine. Since that appoint on Monday, i have seen the referral letter to a neurosurgeon who i am too see next wednesday (the earliest i could get). It states i have a 9 millimetre aneurysm associated with the superior aspect of the left vertebral artery at the left cranial vertebral junction! His words on the referal letter say, although I didn’t particularly think that it requires much attention I thought it would be best to get an expert opinion from yourself.

I am so worried, obviously since this appoint ive been dragging the internet for all info & honestly feel like ive been hit in the stomach by a truck…i just can’t believe this is happening. Please any support would be so greatful, i feel so scared.

Firstly, Id suggest you stop googling for info, it always brings up the worst case scenario and is only going to increase your stress, remember to breathe. Many of us here have been through the worst case scenario and survived, but google wont tell you about that. :) At 9mm I think it's likely they will treat it, depending on the doc and what procedures he does and the location etc it would likely be done by endovascular coiling(less invasive, shorter recovery) or clipping (more invasive, longer recovery).

These things can, and probably do sit around in our brains for years and years so you are lucky it was found in an incidental screening so next Wednesday is not far away. In the meantime, avoid smoking and drinking and make sure your blood pressure is good, and try to stay calm. Please dont stress yourself out, it's the worst thing you can do and will only increase your blood pressure. Keep the appt with the doc and I would also take a pen and notepad and write anything down that he/she says that you think is important. When we get stressed we dont retain information as well so notes will help you keep things straight. In the meantime, if you think of any questions to ask him/her then jot them down in your notebook too and refer to it during the appt. Good luck

Read the stories on this site from people - they helped me a lot! This forum helped me so much when I learned about my dad's aneurysm. There are so many successful stories from people and as they all said to me - be happy they found it unruptured. That is really good. So many people go through their life not even knowing they have an aneurysm until it's too late. You're one of the lucky ones in the fact that it was found. Read people's blogs on here and read their questions in the forum - you'll learn so much and hopefully it will give you courage and put your mind a bit more at ease. Best of luck.

Thank you both for coming back to me…its a pretty hard time for sure. Keep telling myself im fine & next minute i feel sick! So silly this time last week i couldnt even spell the thing i now know is in my head! Lol :slight_smile: Anyway thanks, i will certainly do the note taking, think thats a good idea…I havnt smoked cigerettes for nearly three years but use e cigs…i guess because of the nicotine content i should try & chuck them as well?? M x

It's not the nicotine thats really an issue, or so I was told by my neuro team. I use an ecig too after one of my aneurysms ruptured (but I was a smoker then and switched to an ecig when I got out of hospital and was waiting for a second aneurysm to be coiled/stented 6 months later). It's all the other junk in cigarettes I suspect but it could also be that regular cigarettes immediately spike your nic levels and probably your blood pressure too, whereas nic from ejuice is absorbed much more slowly so you dont get that instant big nic rush. Ive been using the ecig for just over a year now (two of my aneurysms are coiled and one is only 4mm so hasnt been treated). my blood pressure is finally normal for the first time in years since switching but I did ask about nicotine after my rupture and was told it was ok, but smoking cigs wasnt so I feel comfortable with my choice. I think stress is much worse for you at this point so staying calm and avoiding google is the way to go.

Oh thank you so much for that…you must know as a smoker in times of stress (& this feels like stress city cental to me! Lol) we wanna smoke so being able to use e cigs will cert help & not feel bad about using :). I am so glad one bit of googling to fine this site worked. :slight_smile: but ive cut out all the rest & am now going to take a nice walk. Thank you xxx

Hi Maria

Firstly welcome to the BAF UK site, you will find some good info here and positive comments from members.

Firstly try to chill, go for your appointment next week and see what is recommended, there will be 3 options open to you, depending on what the specialist thinks.

1. Coiling, which is less invasive.

2. Open surgery!

3. Do nothing and monitor it with scans and an angiogram every 6 to 12 months!

I had a similar member who I advised 2 weeks ago and true to form, when she saw the Specialist in Oxford, he recommended option 3, do nothing and monitor, hers was a similar size to yours which is classified as small and a risk factor of bleeding of 0.05% so you have more chance of winning the lottery twice in a week than you have of bleeding.

So Chill, see the specialist and get his opinion! Keep us updated on the outcome of your appointment and I will send you more info after your appointment. Take notes at your appointment, I will send you some questions to ask him by tomorrow!

Kind Regards

martinc

Martin thank you so much, hearing those odds you have put a smile on my face for the first time since monday :slight_smile: I am so glad i found you guys M xx

Martin...isn't the new(er) Pipeline /Ped and/or other new names for the stent type?


MartinC said:

Hi Maria

Firstly welcome to the BAF UK site, you will find some good info here and positive comments from members.

Firstly try to chill, go for your appointment next week and see what is recommended, there will be 3 options open to you, depending on what the specialist thinks.

1. Coiling, which is less invasive.

2. Open surgery!

3. Do nothing and monitor it with scans and an angiogram every 6 to 12 months!

I had a similar member who I advised 2 weeks ago and true to form, when she saw the Specialist in Oxford, he recommended option 3, do nothing and monitor, hers was a similar size to yours which is classified as small and a risk factor of bleeding of 0.05% so you have more chance of winning the lottery twice in a week than you have of bleeding.

So Chill, see the specialist and get his opinion! Keep us updated on the outcome of your appointment and I will send you more info after your appointment. Take notes at your appointment, I will send you some questions to ask him by tomorrow!

Kind Regards

martinc

Hi Maria, I am glad to hear from you and know that you are good!

I also had mine found incidentally, but I had 5 of the little buggers, so I did what you are doing and looked for answers, but you know what, the answer lies within yourself!

Advice helps but it has to be good, sensible advice and as I said to you earlier, chill till you know the state of play, then you are better informed.

I/we will always be here for you and give you the best advice on how to manage your situation, it will not be medical advice as we are not Neuro specialists, but what we are and do know is how you are feeling!

This site will try to answer your questions and back them up with reputable sources of information, yes you will also see some poor posts, but! for every tale, there are many and most happy endings.

I have had 2 of my five coiled and stented and it is a breeze, trust me on this, for I lie not, so chill!

The bottom line is to get the facts on the table and that will happen at your appointment next week, so whilst you may be anxious, try to chill, have a glass or two of red wine, as it helps you to chill!

This site will give you an understanding about the bloody things:



July 2003

From Mayo Clinic

International study helps patients and their doctors when an unruptured brain aneurysm is discovered

NOTE:This release has been updated since its original posting.

ROCHESTER, Minn. -- An international study led by Mayo Clinic to be published in the July 12 issue of The Lancet provides new information about when unruptured brain aneurysms should and should not be treated.

The findings are from the International Study of Unruptured Intracranial Aneurysms (ISUIA), which involves 61 medical centers in the United States, Canada and Europe. This is the largest study of its kind and the first to follow up prospectively identified treated and untreated patients. The findings will help doctors provide advice about whether patients with brain aneurysms would be better off having brain surgery, undergoing an endovascular procedure or not repairing the aneurysm.

"If you have an unruptured aneurysm, your doctor now can better advise you about what to do," says David Wiebers, M.D., Mayo Clinic neurologist and the study's principal investigator. "Some of them can be left alone, and others are better to repair, depending on the situation. We're more sophisticated in what we can say about the magnitude of the risks of treatment and non-treatment, and the predictors of risk on either side."

In this study involving 4,060 patients with unruptured brain aneurysms, 1,917 underwent surgical repair of the aneurysm; 451 were treated with an endovascular coiling procedure designed to shut off blood flow to an aneurysm by producing clot within it; and 1,692 patients did not undergo repair of the aneurysm. Patients were followed prospectively for up to nine years. The researchers found that aneurysm size corresponded to rupture rate and observed that patients with aneurysms smaller than seven millimeters were at low risk for rupture (approximately 0.1 percent risk per year). They also found that history of rupture due to another aneurysm and aneurysm location affected rupture rates. Aneurysms toward the front of the brain were less risky than those in the back. Additionally, researchers learned that age is a key factor in the success of surgery, with risks increasing substantially at age 50 and older, and increasing even more after age 60 or 70. Aneurysm size and location influenced both the outcomes of surgery and endovascular coiling.

The new information will help physicians counsel their patients in an emotionally trying time, according to the ISUIA investigators.

"Patients who have unruptured brain aneurysms believe that they have a bomb in their heads ready to burst," says Allan Fox, M.D., neuroradiologist at Sunnybrook & Women's College Health Sciences Centre, Toronto. "They want to stop it. They need advice about the need for treatment and the risks of treatment versus no treatment."

Richard Kerr, M.D., a neurosurgeon at the Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford, England, concurs. "They live normal lives, have families, and hold down jobs, and suddenly they have to make a decision. It does result in a significant amount of stress for those patients," he says.

The new findings do not justify a rush to the operating room for most aneurysms, according to the researchers.

"Unruptured aneurysms are relatively common in the population and are discovered more and more frequently as incidental findings as our imaging technologies improve," says Dr. Wiebers. "The discovery of an unruptured brain aneurysm need not be the cause for panic or undue alarm. They are not necessarily ticking time bombs as some have suggested. In fact, some of them have such a low risk of rupture that they are better left untreated. In situations where it is advisable to treat unruptured aneurysms, more treatment options are available than in the past, and the quality of these treatments continues to improve over time."

This study indicates that in addition to size, the aneurysm's location, a history of bleeding from a separate aneurysm and the patient's age are key factors to consider.

Dr. Kerr says deciding whether or not to treat a patient's aneurysm is a process of collecting all the information that you can, and then sitting down with the patient and relatives and reviewing the pros and cons of the treatment options and nontreatment.

"The more information I have, the more information I can give to the patient," says Dr. Kerr. "At the end of the day, the thing that sways patients most of all is their ability to live with the problem. Some patients can go away and forget it. Other patients never rest knowing that they've got the problem there."

The investigators emphasize that physicians cannot make blanket treatment recommendations for all patients with aneurysms.

"The management of any individual patient with an aneurysm has to be customized to its site, size, the patient's age and general well-being, and local factors like who's available to deal with it for them," says Dr. Kerr. "For some unruptured aneurysms, the risks of treatment are higher than leaving them alone."

In many cases, small aneurysms are detected "by accident." In other words, oftentimes these patients may be completely asymptomatic, going through their life activities feeling completely well. Then the patient has, say, a bicycle accident, and is given a CT scan at the hospital. The scan comes back showing an aneurysm in the person's brain. Thus, the patient and the doctor are faced with a quandary.

According to Dr. Wiebers, the information from this new study can be helpful to patients and their physicians as they face such a dilemma.

"It's a major issue, because between 2 percent and 6 percent of the population have or will have intracranial aneurysms," says Dr. Wiebers. "Although epidemiological data suggest that most aneurysms don't rupture, you need to figure out which ones will."

Dr. Kerr agrees that this issue touches many people, if indirectly. "I suspect that most people would know of someone or have heard of someone with a hemorrhage," he says. "I doubt they'd know it was due to an aneurysm. I think more people would be aware of someone who has had a stroke, and a significant proportion of those would be due to an aneurysm."

The rupture of an aneurysm is serious.

"A rupture creates a subarachnoid hemorrhage," says Dr. Wiebers. "There is a 30 percent to 50 percent chance you'll die within 30 days. One-half of those who survive will end up disabled."

Ultimately, the decision about what to do with an aneurysm lies with the patient.

"In some cases, it comes down to a largely philosophical choice, particularly when the risks are relatively balanced between treatment and nontreatment," says Dr. Wiebers. "We always need to listen to what's on that patient's mind and what they prefer as they weigh the scientific information we can provide about risks."

Physicians involved in this project are optimistic about how the findings of this study will allow them to advise their patients.

"The most important thing is that we've taken a group of patients who harbor potentially lethal aneurysms and followed them to determine the natural history of aneurysms to try to identify which group of patients should be worried," says Dr. Kerr. "I hope this will help patients feel better informed and more confident in making a decision."

The study's investigators desire the research to continue.

"We're getting more information all the time about relative risks to these patients," says Dr. Kerr. "I hope that this study doesn't stop here. The longer we follow these patients … the more information we can get from them … the more we can give to new patients about their risks."

Dr. Fox agrees that further research is warranted, especially for the newer treatment: endovascular coiling. "The new ISUIA information is a big step forward. Further study is needed for unruptured aneurysms; however, more study is warranted particularly for the long-term effects of endovascular coiling, including improved efficacy and unknown additional risks from the newer devices," he says.

An intracranial aneurysm occurs when a weak spot on the wall of an artery in the brain balloons out, forming a sac that fills with blood. When an intracranial aneurysm ruptures, it releases blood into the spaces around and sometimes into the brain causing a hemorrhagic stroke. Although hemorrhagic strokes account for only about 20 percent of all strokes, they cause nearly one-half of stroke deaths. Specifically, subarachnoid hemorrhages (bleeding under the outer membrane around the brain) can lead to extensive brain damage and are the deadliest of strokes.

For further information on the ISUIA study, including a list of study sites, please see /http://mayoresearch.mayo.edu/mayo/research/ISUIA

This study was sponsored by the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS), part of the National Institutes of Health, located in Bethesda, MD.

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Hi Maria,

Once again, please visit the following site which is the most respective site on this subject and read the content, then you will be wiser.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199812103392401#t=articleResults

Here you will find all the stats that you need including the risk factors of o.05% for your size aneurysm!! which is less than 10mm so chill once again!

regards

Martinc

Thank you Martin…I really appreciate your time & thoughts in getting back to me, it really means a lot knowing there’s people there who know what this feels like. Im going to use your “just chill maria” as my mantra. :slight_smile: M x

I had a massive ruptured aneurysm in 2013 with 4 coils implanted, 3 weeks in a coma, several months in hospitals and rehab clinics. I have an MRI taken every 6 months and had another aneurysm last year and was operated on again with 2 more coils implanted. My suggestion to you is not to hesitate having that surgery. As I had both, a ruptured and non ruptured aneurysm, the difference is so huge and I don't think you should risk a rupture. Good luck to you!

Hi Maria,

Best wishes for your appointment tomorrow! and remember your new mantra.

Let us know how it goes but I am sure that it will be positive, as in option 3 of my previous posts to you.

CHILL! CHILL! CHILL!

Bye the way, I have still not won the lottery! This just proves the statistics and % are just about right!

All he best!

Martin